[ediblecontainergardens] Newbie to the group..

Hi there! My name is Tammy and I'm a new addition to the group.

I've been dreaming of turning the garden plot in our backyard into an actual
garden instead of a weed bed since we moved in 3 years ago, but health
issues and

A lengthy hospital stay this year (9 ½ months so far) has put that off.
We're looking at possibly putting in raised beds around the perimeter so
that I can still maneuver

Around when I get home if I'm not able to walk on my own steam. In the
meantime I'm planning an herb garden and patio planters, and I thought your
group looked

Interesting so I've been reading for the last few days.

I have been bitten by the gardening bug way out of season I think. Found a
few plant/seed swap groups and have been getting pretty jazzed about the
whole planning

Process. Now I just wish Spring would come so I can get out and get my
hands dirty J

I look forward to reading, and learning and of course getting to know you
all.

I'm in Cardinal, Ontario – Zone 5.

Cheers!

Tammy

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Re: [ediblecontainergardens] "Back to Basics" is back in print

I have seen something like this book on shelves...But I bought mine used online...I know from having read various editions that it changes over the years to keep in toe with changing technology around building techniques and energy.  So, it might be best to look for a newer edition "used" online.  The one I have is a Reader's Digest edition and it's a great introduction to a wide variety of self-sufficiency concerns. 

I, myself, would not use it solely to say, build a house, grow crops or husband animals..etcetera.

Teri
Ottawa

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Re: [ediblecontainergardens] Reuse of soil????

I do this all the time.  I add a bit of good mulch to it, some manure, coffee grounds stir it occasionally and water it occasionally.  I may be doing it wrong, but it seems to be working because I've had an amazing amount of tomatoes from the mix three years running now.  I leave mine uncovered.

My two cents,
Linda in Ca

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Subject: [ediblecontainergardens] Reuse of soil????

I pulled up all my container plants and dumped the soil into one super
large tote i had, my question is what do i do to be able to use the
soil in the spring is ther anything to add to it. or any thing i
should do to it . should it be covered or uncovered?
thanks in advance
tia
Valeriej

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[ediblecontainergardens] Re: book

I'm still reading the book. I can give an opinion by the end of the
week.

--- In ediblecontainergardens@yahoogroups.com, Bobbi Chukran
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> >A couple of weeks ago I asked about a book called "Fresh Food From
> >Small Spaces". It's specific to urban areas. Is that what your
> >thinking of?
> >
>
> I noticed that several of you recommend this book, but to be honest,
> when I saw it in a bookstore, I didn't like it. It seemed to be all
> about sprouting, and not much else.
>
> Did I miss something?
>
> bobbi c.
>

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[ediblecontainergardens] Reuse of soil????

I pulled up all my container plants and dumped the soil into one super
large tote i had, my question is what do i do to be able to use the
soil in the spring is ther anything to add to it. or any thing i
should do to it . should it be covered or uncovered?
thanks in advance
tia
Valeriej

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[gardenmessenger] Re: Adding a Link

Just so you know Sandra - there is no add a link button for me either.
Diana

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[ediblecontainergardens] Re: book

>A couple of weeks ago I asked about a book called "Fresh Food From
>Small Spaces". It's specific to urban areas. Is that what your
>thinking of?
>

I noticed that several of you recommend this book, but to be honest,
when I saw it in a bookstore, I didn't like it. It seemed to be all
about sprouting, and not much else.

Did I miss something?

bobbi c.

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[ediblecontainergardens] Re: book

A couple of weeks ago I asked about a book called "Fresh Food From
Small Spaces". It's specific to urban areas. Is that what your
thinking of?

--- In ediblecontainergardens@yahoogroups.com, "jeanann_46947"
<jeanann_46947@...> wrote:
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> Ok folks someone out there can help me I just know it. There was a
book
> that talked about self sufficiency in an urban environment. What was
> the name and who is the author? Please? I know you you know the
answer.
> We live in a small town in a MH and farm animals just aren't
feasible.
> I'm hoping this book will help. Any recommendations?
>

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[ediblecontainergardens] Info on growing fruit

Lots of info on growing fruit - mostly fruit trees, but also some small
fruit.

http://www.davewilson.com/

This is *very* interesting, because they are advocating planting four fruit
trees together, for a longer season of ripe fruit. Very interesting
indeed.

Be aware that they are located in California. They advocate growing
blueberries *in containers* - but this will not *necessarily* be possible
for everyone, depending on where you live, and what facilities you have for
protecting the plants.

For example, it won't work where I live unless we could bring the
containers of blueberries into a heated garage or basement: we don't have
either one. We have a garage, but it's totally unheated and uninsulated
too.

Pat
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[ediblecontainergardens] book

Ok folks someone out there can help me I just know it. There was a book
that talked about self sufficiency in an urban environment. What was
the name and who is the author? Please? I know you you know the answer.
We live in a small town in a MH and farm animals just aren't feasible.
I'm hoping this book will help. Any recommendations?

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[ediblecontainergardens] List Owner AWOL No More... (Completely off-topic)

I'm back, and back to Windows....

The version of Linux (Mandriva) my husband installed on my antique and very
under-powered computer just won't run adequately on this PC. It could deal
with only one application at a time... and that one application was dealt
with slowly, slowly, slowly, slowly....

Plus (the deal breaker!) my email program (Agent by Forte) would not run at
all on my PC under Linux, although it runs fine on my husband's PC (using
the same version of Linux). There is *only one* program that I care
passionately about, and Agent is it.

My husband is an IT professional, and knows what he is doing. However, he
did not realize that the combination of my antique computer and a modern
version of Linux would be so very incompatible until we experienced it.

My computer is back to Windows now.

Brian actually has another PC that I can use, it's much more powerful and
newer than mine. I have not been using it only because the darned thing is
so terribly noisy that I cannot stand it (dual processor). He'll look for
a super quiet fan for it, and maybe then I can switch to the more powerful
PC and Linux.

The whole exercise was just a waste of a considerable amount of Brian's
time. Darn. Well, some things cannot be helped.

Pat

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[ediblecontainergardens] "Back to Basics" is back in print

I just wanted to mention that "Back to Basics : A Complete Guide to
Traditional Skills" by Abigail R. Gehring, is back in print. The book
was originally written in 1981, but has been updated, although much
remains the same. It has sections on working land, generating energy,
raising livestock, vegtable growing and food preserving, household
skills, and more. It has good basic information, and is just a nice
book to see again.

I found this book years ago, and haven't seen it in print in years.

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Re: [ediblecontainergardens] Thanks Pat!

On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 10:55:01 -0800 (PST), you wrote:

>Thanks Pat for all of the help and advice you give. 
>And also for introducing me to Komatsuna greens.  They are great.  They remind me of collards but they are more tender, and fast growing. My boyfriend says they taste like mustards but I don't think I've ever tasted mustards before.  I've been doing "strange" things with them.  Strange to me (being from the south) means anything other than boiling greens in smoked turkey or cured pork.  I cooked them with crookneck squash and onions.  For breakfast this morning I made an omelet with greens, onions, mushrooms, blue cheese and cheddar. It was very tasty!

I agree; komatsuna is a terrific plant! It has EVERYTHING a gardener (or a
person who eats!) would want. :)

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Re: [ediblecontainergardens] Strawberries in Containers in FL

On Sat, 08 Nov 2008 19:17:21 -0000, you wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>This fall/winter, I'm starting strawberries, and wanted to find out if
>people have had success with them in containers, and what kind of
>containers they seem to work best with. And if anyone had tips for
>growing strawberries!
>
>The choices I've seen for containers are:
>
>-Hanging baskets: plants coming out the top and sides.
>
>-Strawberry Jars: terra cotta for the most part, and I've read that
>inserting a PVC pipe with holes drilled in it that's been filled with
>gravel and watering through that helps ensure that the top plants get
>evenly watered as well.
>
>-Topsy Turvy Hanging Strawberry Planter:
>(http://howtogardenguide.com/2008/05/06/strawberry-bag/). I LOVE this
>idea, but I don't have a place on the side of the house or porch where
>I can hang the bag and get enough sun. And I haven't been able to find
>a free-standing stand. Same issue with the hanging baskets.
>
>Has anyone found a good, sturdy free-standing stand for hanging
>baskets and grow bags that isn't a fortune? I saw one at Gardener's
>Supply, but it's $99!
>
>So, what do you grow your strawberries in?
>
I just use regular containers - rectangular ones, shaped like a windowbox.
But next year, I'll probably change the strawberries to Self-Watering
Containers.

If you have enough room, then you don't NEED to use hanging planters (which
are admittedly pretty). Then I'd recommend convenience and a Self-Watering
Container.

Gardener's Supply (which is NOT cheap, as you know) has many very pretty
SWCs, including windowbox shapes. I have two of the SWC window boxes and
will probably put my strawberries in them next year.

Pat
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Re: [ediblecontainergardens] Garden's Alive Fertilizer

On Sat, 08 Nov 2008 19:32:44 -0000, you wrote:

>So, last season I got the Garden's Alive fertilizers. I got the
>tomato, vegetable and herb. I stored them in plastic ziplock bags, and
>I just went out to go look at them, and there are little brown bugs in
>the fertilizer! The bags are all sealed, with no holes. So I have no
>idea how they got in there!
>
>Can I still use this? Or am I going to have to toss them and get new
>bags? It's not cheap stuff!
>
This is what I would do: I'd stick in the freezer for a few days to kill
the bugs - then take it out of the freezer and wait about a week - then
back into the freezer for 3 or 4 days (the second freeze would get any eggs
that have hatched).

Then I would go ahead and use it next season.

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Re: [ediblecontainergardens] Re: Making the most of Containers

On Sun, 09 Nov 2008 08:55:01 -0000, you wrote:

>
>I've got a 4 by 4 foot container of garlic planed for next year. If
>I pull these up at midsummer would i be able to get a lettuce crop
>in straight after?
>

Probably not IMMEDIATELY after. Lettuce dislikes heat, dislikes hot
weather. It's a cool-weather crop. It would probably be better to wait
until late summer to plant the lettuce.

But it depends on your circumstances: for example, I can grow lettuce
straight through the summer here. We're in the mountains in northern
Pennsylvania and it isn't nearly as hot here in summer as in most of the
country. I can also provide some shade for my lettuce on hot afternoons.
Our average summer highs are probably around 80F, and it gets very cool at
night, even in July and August here; generally *at least* down into the 50s
and often into the 40s, sometimes even the low 40s.

But - say - you're somewhere around Philadelphia (southern Pennsylvania,
flat, hot, humid); then you're not going to be able to grow lettuce
successfully in mid-summer.

How about green beans right after the garlic? Some of them will be
finished in 55 or so days. That would take you up to the end of August,
probably. THEN you could plant lettuce and it would grow happily.

It would be good to start the lettuce seeds in cell-packs or something, and
let them sprout and grow a little bit there, then transplant them into the
container. That way, as soon as the beans are finished, you can have
lettuce plants all ready to put into the container.

Pat
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Waging War For the Environment

Picture this. It's an hour past midnight, the frosty London air is crisp and cold, and three college age kids wrapped in coats and scarves are about to make a break for a public rose bed outcropping across from the British Parliament. Anyone up at this hour couldn't be doing good, right? Not so fast. Reality is, these kids are part of a new wave of volunteers poised to save the ecological world of public green-space, one sidewalk at a time. The concept is Guerrilla Gardening, an idea founded by Richard Reynolds of London, UK. A Guerrilla Gardener seeks out filthy, run-down, parched areas of public green-space and marks it for gardening. Afterwards, often in the still of the night, the Guerrilla Gardener comes back, sometimes with backup, and begins cultivating soil and planting flowers and vegetation to beautify the spot.

The concept is not exactly new, as it has had similar counterparts in other sprawling metropolises, including New York and Philadelphia. But the difference that Guerrilla Gardening presents is that it is often done at night, out of sight, which gives the action a sense of excitement and rebellion. Often, this state of mind is required as public authorities do not sanction forced cultivation of many of these spaces. You need my approval before you can improve my land, in an absurd sense.

With over 1000 members, the idea of Guerrilla Gardening has found its way into many rebellious eco-souls. Anyone with some time and an eye for nature will see the appeal in gardening and garden accessories. In fact, the Sun is setting here in California. Please excuse me as I have a nice patch of dirt on the corner of Los Altos and Gale Blvd. to attend to.

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Hydroponics Gardening

For a lot of different reasons many gardeners are beginning to change over to hydroponics gardening. As these types of gardens are small, they can easily be grown indoors and are perfect for almost all vegetables, particularly the red tomato. Also the equipment needed for hydroponics gardening is not expensive and they are comparatively easy to manage.

Hydroponics gardening is "dirtless gardening" as it is the growing of plants without any soil. There are a lot of different methods of hydroponics gardening. Most of them work better than regular soil gardening because it is easier to give the plant exactly what it needs, exactly when it needs it. Plants will just receive what you give them. Therefore you will be able to regulate the pH, nutrients, nutrient strength, water amount, and light amount. This makes it imperative that you research the kind of plants you will be growing in order to know what they need to survive.

Hydroponics gardening can be complicated if computers with sensors are used to control water cycles, nutrients, and light for the plants. But it can also be as simple as a hand watered bucket with a single plant. Hydroponics gardening is as difficult as you make it. The normal home Hydroponics system is normally made up of a couple of basic things: a growing tray, light (natural or artificial), a reservoir, a water controlled pump for watering (or some type of watering equipment), and some form of air pump to give oxygen to the nutrients.

The growing medium used in hydroponics gardening can be any number of things, such as Rockwool, perlite, coconut fiber, gravel, sand, vermiculite, or even air. You will be able to find instructions at any gardening store, online. You also can buy separate parts and build your own hydroponics garden and there are kits already assembled for sale in gardening supply stores too.

There are certain micro-nutrients that are essential for healthy plant growth including magnesium, sulfur, calcium, cobalt, boron, iron, copper, manganese, and zinc. These nutrients are absolutely necessary to plants and if missing could cause the food to not be as healthy and in some cases even cause unhealthinesses for those who eat it. It is very important that you use a quality fertilizer when doing hydroponics gardening.

Some other important aspect of hydroponics gardening that must be closely regulated is the pH balance. When the pH balance changes the plant will lose the power to absorb nutrients that it needs. The ease with which the pH in hydroponics gardening is tested and controlled gives it a huge advantage over regular gardening.

Even though there are hundreds of different variations, Wick, Water Culture, Ebb and Flow, Drip, N.F.T., and Aeroponic are the six most basic types of hydroponics gardening systems. Hydroponics gardening is easy, affordable, and you can have fresh green goods, flowers, herbs and spices over all the year!

Preparing Your Garden for the Winter

Once the weather starts becoming colder and the leaves start to fall, a few people think it is time to put away the gardening tools and wait for the following spring to start working on their garden again. But this is not true. Winter is a very important time to keep your garden's health and ensure yourself a good harvest for the following year. You may think that might take to long to organize your garden. In fact it takes less than one day to set up your garden for the approaching wintertime.

As soon as the temperatures during night drop to below seven degrees Celsius for more than four days in a row, or frost is forecasted for your area, you know it is time to start preparing your garden. You should start with evaluating your garden design, find out which plants did do well in the past season, and which plants did not do well. Fall is a good time to make up your mind which plants will stay in you garden next year, and which ones should go.

It is also a good time to choose which new plants you want to grow to make your garden more colorful and healthy next year. Be sure just to plant the sturdier plants during autumn, that will be able to resist the wintertime. Some plants that will do good being planted in fall are: rudbeckia, Aster Novi-belgii, Anemone Japonica, panicle hyandea, endive, escarole, and Brussels sprouts. You will be able to find all of these and more in horticulture magazines or in your local nursery.

Once done with it you should start with neatening your garden. Begin by pulling out weeds that may have popped up and raking fallen leaves. Weeds and rotten leaves can carry insects and diseases that might be harmful to your garden. Also you should free your garden of passed annual plants and harvest your veggies and other plants that will not be able to resist the winter weather. Now that the leaves will be off your trees, you will be able to see the rotten branches. Cutting back the unwanted branches from your trees isn't essential to your gardens health, but it can assist afterwards by not falling branches on your plants as well as not blocking too much of the sun.

If you have more immature trees you should think about wrapping them and supporting them with posts to help them come through the winter wind and cold. Arranging mulch over your garden for the wintertime can be a helpful way to protect plants from sudden temperature changes and heavy snow. For mulch you can use about 10 centimeter of shredded bark, pine tree needles, or a variety of other materials. But you have to be careful not to mulch too early as some insects can still be alive and they will be able to take shelter in it for the winter.

As soon as you are finished with your gardening tools you should clean them properly and store them in a safe place where they won't get rusty and you know where to find them in next year. Also, before winter comes you should set out slug deterrent, as slugs are one of the worst bugs to have in your garden. And if you have a pond in your garden, don't forget to take out any fish that you have in them and bring them inside. There is nothing worse than a fish frozen in a block of ice.